Has rail privatisation worked?

Re: Has rail privatisation worked?

feeds@yuku.com (TBE) — Wed, 08 Jul 2009 10:31:32 GMT

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Re: Has rail privatisation worked?

feeds@yuku.com (Shayde) — Wed, 08 Jul 2009 08:29:35 GMT

Of yours? I don't know... thankfully i've never met them. But most likely if they're anything like you.

Re: Has rail privatisation worked?

feeds@yuku.com (R Lance) — Wed, 08 Jul 2009 04:59:04 GMT

Relatives ?? Shayde

Re: Has rail privatisation worked?

feeds@yuku.com (Shayde) — Tue, 07 Jul 2009 20:22:15 GMT

Re: Has rail privatisation worked?

feeds@yuku.com (R Lance) — Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:53:27 GMT

You keep shouting but don't listen.
Its only needed by those that have to use it, let them pay for their convenience``

Re: Has rail privatisation worked?

feeds@yuku.com (TBE) — Tue, 07 Jul 2009 08:53:56 GMT

IT IS A NEEDED SERVICE FFS WHICH IS WHY ALL SUBSIDISED GOVERNMENT RUN RAIL NETWORKS ARE WELL USED AND EFFICIENT

Re: Has rail privatisation worked?

feeds@yuku.com (Shayde) — Tue, 07 Jul 2009 08:36:24 GMT

Re: Has rail privatisation worked?

feeds@yuku.com (R Lance) — Tue, 07 Jul 2009 03:12:40 GMT

If user fees won;t pay for it no wonder The privatizing didn't work,
Its not a needed service, if it can't pay for itself. If its needed the just raise fares to make it pay for itself.

>>>>>>>> But it is the capitalist way to make everything only paid for by clients/customers. <<<<<<<<

The capitalist way is to make a profit for Company owners. No matter who pays.

Re: Has rail privatisation worked?

feeds@yuku.com (TBE) — Tue, 07 Jul 2009 01:09:22 GMT

I did not state that you mentioned capitalism if we are going to get petty about wording. But it is the capitalist way to make everything only paid for by clients/customers.

User fees can't cover what is needed to run an efficient railway network and service which is what has been said from the start. I can't think of any other ways to say it is costly and ineffective.

I give up. You will not grasp it and I don't care.

Re: Has rail privatisation worked?

feeds@yuku.com (R Lance) — Tue, 07 Jul 2009 00:27:51 GMT

>>>>>>> If you want to believe that capitalism is the answer to everything then kid yourself that it is. And before you start on about commie bastards etc at no point have I said we should live in a communist state. Either extreme doesn't really work and we are only talking about the railways which is essentially just a public transport system. <<<<<<

Show me where I even mentioned Capitalism,

My question was who will pay for it...

Re: Has rail privatisation worked?

feeds@yuku.com (TBE) — Mon, 06 Jul 2009 20:48:05 GMT

It used to be government run just like most successful railways in this world are. Then they were forced to sell everything off to create competition so the railways, gas, electricity, water etc were all sold off. Now we are ripped off left right and centre and the services particularly in rail are less good and more expensive. I gave examples of the ridiculous costs of getting around the country.

If you want to believe that capitalism is the answer to everything then kid yourself...

Re: Has rail privatisation worked?

feeds@yuku.com (R Lance) — Mon, 06 Jul 2009 18:51:20 GMT

I posted the 4 ways it can be ran, If I'm wrong show me where.
You say only users pay now, no tax money used, OK what Im saying if government takes it over that will not be so. they will end up subsidizing it out of taxes

Re: Has rail privatisation worked?

feeds@yuku.com (TBE) — Mon, 06 Jul 2009 09:08:52 GMT

yet another topic i am now staying out of because of it.

I am with you on that one girl! I can't be arsed to keep explaining the same thing over and over. So I really don't care anymore. I have said my peace and I stand by it.

Re: Has rail privatisation worked?

feeds@yuku.com (Shayde) — Mon, 06 Jul 2009 07:35:05 GMT

your attitude is what is making me pound my head against a wall.

Only users paying is what we have now...

look, i'm not going to keep going over and over the same thing, you're obviously unable to get a simple concept being stated here... this is pointless, yet another thing you don't understand.

yet another topic i am now staying out of because of it.

Re: Has rail privatisation worked?

feeds@yuku.com (R Lance) — Mon, 06 Jul 2009 00:50:39 GMT

Shayde wrote:
NO! The trains are hot, over crowded and over-priced and the delays caused by engineering works at the weekends and off peak week days are ridiculous!!!!! It should be a public service so the faresd can be regulated!

By this statement I assumed you mean government ran.

There are Four ways to run and pay for a service [trains]

Private company, owned, where owner maintains and operates...

Re: Has rail privatisation worked?

feeds@yuku.com (TBE) — Sun, 05 Jul 2009 12:57:10 GMT

it's like banging you head against a brick wall

I've got to that point too.

It was me who is in favour of it going back to how it was so we can have an equal system to countries like France and Holland etc. A cost effective greener mode of transport available to all and used by all which cuts down the number of road users because it is actually a viable alternative to the rip offs we have in this country. It is cheaper to fly to Scotland...

Re: Has rail privatisation worked?

feeds@yuku.com (Shayde) — Sun, 05 Jul 2009 08:58:41 GMT

you don't think i don't understabd my own countries transport system?!?! oh do fuck off! I haven't once said i want government subsidisation.. please find where i have.. i said i wanted it under government control in order to regulate national fares..

HOWEVER

if it were to be tax payer funded, i wouldn't have much of a problem with that... point being that our healthcare system is one of the best in the world and that's paid for by taxes. You being...

Re: Has rail privatisation worked?

feeds@yuku.com (R Lance) — Sat, 04 Jul 2009 18:48:13 GMT

>>>>>>>>.

which is what it would be under government regulation... the fairs would just not have all the bonus profit that private firms tack on because nobody tells them not too.... i do wish you wouldn't get involved in topics you clearly don't understand.>>>>>>

But I do understand
don't think you fully do

When Its subsidized the government that means tax payers pay. The riders pay for their tickets but...

Re: Has rail privatisation worked?

feeds@yuku.com (TBE) — Sat, 04 Jul 2009 12:26:01 GMT

It is a shit system to have it privatised. It is costly and ineffective. When it is subsidised and regulated by government it is efficent, affordable and used by more people. It is greener to the environment, it cuts down the number of car users etc etc.

Oh for pity's sake. I don't know why I bother. It really is like dealing with a stubborn child who doesn't listen to a word it is told.

I'm not repeating myself and frankly I'm sick to death of it on...

Re: Has rail privatisation worked?

feeds@yuku.com (Shayde) — Sat, 04 Jul 2009 10:52:28 GMT

which is what it would be under governement regulation... the fares would just not have all the bonus profit that private firms tack on because nobody tells them not too.... i do wish you wouldn't get involved in topics you clearly don't understand.

Has rail privatisation worked?

feeds@yuku.com (TBE) — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 12:52:24 GMT

The East Coast rail service is to return to public ownership. Is it a sign that rail privatisation hasn't worked?

The troubled rail franchise, currently run by National Express, is suffering from slumping passenger numbers and is expected to have lost £20m in the first half of the year.

Ministers have already refused the company's requests...